Ladies,
The manosphere (at least the PUA part of it) has a reputation of being kind of shallow, rating women from 1 to 10, saying things that will make women freak out over tiny barely visible wrinkles, promising them they’ll hit the wall hard at 30… But despite that, I just don’t buy it. I observe many things that tell me that the manosphere men are not as terribly shallow as they let on.
Here’s a list of 9 Ugliest Feminists in America. Made by Roosh. To be honest with you, some of them are not all that ugly.
The fat one is just fat.
And Jessica Valenti is probably the prettiest of the people on the list, but I wouldn’t rate myself above her judging just by looks.
Others have some flaws in their faces, but nobody is disgusting to look at. I could probably find much uglier feminists if I could see them all.
Although I’m sure Roosh finds these women ugly quite honestly, RooshV forum has this thread. It’s a thread about 40-something women, with lots of pictures. Some guys responded saying they are not hot enough, but many said something along the lines of “I would smash most of them”. Some even said that most men wouldn’t refuse, if one of these women walked over to them and offered sex. Yet most of them don’t look younger than their age, and aren’t perfect beauties. They just look like they take care of themselves, and dress hot. One man said:
“I’d put all these chicks through a wall from banging them so hard. There’s something about an older chick that’s just way more seductive than a younger girl. They’re not nearly as hot, but there’s an intangible factor of fuckability present that is just not seen in many 20 year olds.”
Also, there were times when some sweet, non- manhating women showed their faces in the manosphere, and did NOT receive any bashing of their looks, despite being plain or old.
I’m convinced of two things.
One. Inner beauty matters very much. Pleasant character and good morals will take you far, if you’re only a 5. It might not make a man attracted to you, if you don’t pass his boner test. But if you pass it, good character will add to your appeal. And bad character will subtract from it greatly. This is, in my opinion, especially true for girls in the middle of the SMV scale, 4-7.
Two. Most women (and men) are pleasant looking. Or can be. Fitness, good clothes and taking care of yourself properly means pleasant looks for pretty much anyone, except the truly deformed people and 1s on the SMV scale. There is no reason to worry about being ugly if you’re just normal. Look at rabbits in the forest. Very few of them are weird-looking or deformed, and it’s the same with humans.
However, knowing you aren’t ugly doesn’t mean shooting out of your league is a great idea. Manosphere men often tell women to settle if they want to be happy, but I hate that word. It shouldn’t be called settle. It should be called seeing beauty where you were blind to it previously. Just like most women are pleasant looking, so are most men. We’re just nitpicking too much in both.
So, if the manosphere guys are not so shallow, why do they attack the looks of women they don’t like? Well, I have an idea. I think they do it because it works, and don’t mind fighting dirty.
It doesn’t work because it’s used all the time, it’s used all the time because it works.
I once called a woman a slut for being a bitch to me, because it still works on many women, even if they deny it. I don’t actually slut-shame, and don’t look down on promiscuity per se.
So… stop worrying about impossible beauty standards. Event the manosphere guys don’t have them. They are relevant nowhere, except maybe Hollywood and modeling. Take care of your looks, have great character, and see beauty in others.
The Private Man has dating tips for women, and one of his golden rules is for women to simply stop looking for reasons to disqualify men and start looking at the good things a man has that she wasn’t looking for right off the bat. Since women’s attraction is based on a confluence of factors (looks nonwithstanding) they risk ejecting countless men that would be great/perfect fits, if it wasn’t for the original sin of not being Brad Pitt.
http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/a-dating-exercise-for-women-amazing-follow-up/
And yes. I have personally said the Jessica Valenti is a very hot looking femininst and i would do her.. tho it would probably require duct tape over her mouth so i didn’t have to hear about the evil’s of patriarchy.
Oh she’s married?
Lucky him.
Lol, for his sake, I hope he’s lucky.
My above comment was in relation to the eloquent way you phrased it:
“It should be called seeing beauty where you were blind to it previously.”
I know
And what Privateman suggests is a great exercise, and I think I’ve been naturally doing it starting from my teens. Still had a period of bitchiness, but it was deeper than just being unfriendly. Indeed, if you look well enough, most men are pleasant-looking, at least, and there is no need to rate most men as “below average” 
The woman above Valenti has one of teh least appealing attitudes I`ve seen. I ahve seen pics of her on feminist sites before in connection with feminist crap she has wrritten and her personality and the way it comes across in the pictures is just cryptonite to attraction.
Most women’s attitudes suck, regardless of how they look.
I often hear mRAs like RooshV say that there is something wrong with MGTOWs for not wanting sex with women. Actually, I wouldn’t mind having it women, but whatever females today are, real women they are NOT.
For example, I look at Jessica Valenti’s picture and, sure she’s above-average looking. But check out the pics of her here:
http://www.mrafront.blogspot.com/2012/08/jessica-valenti-pretty-face.html
Do you see one photo here where she doesn’t come across as a skanky lesbian? I couldn’t want sex with a woman like that, neither could any normal male.
You sound like one of those rare less-visual men
I noticed that some men are less swayed by a woman’s looks and don’t jump into bed with them as readily as other men. They also have higher standards for women’s behavior and won’t even do a hate-fuck.
I like these men for their emphasis on meaningful things, but they are hard to reel in with just sex/looks. Lol
I don’t mind Jessica’s skanky lesbian photos, but I do mind some of her views, like reversing the burden of proof in rape cases. Awful!
Emma:
I do wonder how rare that type of man really is, though.
“…won’t even do a hate-fuck.”
I have never done one. In fact, one reason I dislike PUAs so much is it seems to me that rewarding women with sex for bad behavior is the same as encouraging it.
“I like these men for their emphesis on meaningful things, but they are hard to reel in with just sex/looks.”
If more women really felt like you do, I doubt there would be much need for an MRM! LOL
“Manosphere men often tell women to settle if they want to be happy, but I hate that word. It shouldn’t be called settle. It should be called seeing beauty where you were blind to it previously. ”
Your point stands. But to pick a nit, I thought that “settling” was a term from the femosphere. Hypergamous women don’t want to “settle” and resent when they have to. Am I wrong?
Heh, you might be right. But whoever thought up the word, it almost seems designed to make you feel bitter. That’s why I don’t think it ads anything to life and should be replaced.
tell men to settle for an ugly woman and watch them balk.
“So, if the manosphere guys are not so shallow, why do they attack the looks of women they don’t like? Well, I have an idea. I think they do it because it works, and don’t mind fighting dirty.”
Once you’ve spent enough years being on the wrong end of women fighting dirty, you’re bound to wise up sooner or later and start to recognize how to play the game by the new rules. Granted, some of the degree of bashing appearance on women is probably overcompensation from anger at being shamed for decades about being shallow if you care at all about appearance. “She weighs twice as much as you? Why can’t you love her for what’s on the inside, you shallow bastard!”. Once you come to understand that “unconditional love” is a lie being shoveled out by women who want to get what they want/need, without caring about his wants and needs in return.
Interesting. I didn’t think it was because of shaming men about their preferences.
Thing is, everyone has got some preferences. This is what I call irreducible, essential “shallow” traits that you absolutely need in a partner to fall in love with them or be attracted to them, rather than just being friends with them. Even very non-shallow (by human standards) people have a few.
But speaking of unconditional love, I think it can exist, sort of
It’s kind of a trick, but once you pick the right partner, love for them can be unconditional in practice. If you picked extremely well, they won’t disrespect you.
Love doesn’t mean tolerating their bad behavior, or treating them nicely unconditionally. It also doesn’t mean staying no matter what, rewarding bad behavior.
Most men are quite visual, but we are more accepting than some women might believe if they only listen to the bluster of some PUAs. We are not as harshly critical of wmens physical beauty as your average women is for example (when they are not playing “fake friend” at least).
And attitude does also play a part in what we find attractive. One of the reasons why I find Feminists so repulsive, similar to Roosh, is because of their attitude. Combative, snarky, bitchy, mean…. just all around unpleasant to spend any time around. They are basically like men in womens bodies, only weak simpering men that another man couldnt respect. No feminine sweetness and big doses of a pale simulcra of masculinity – its like a one-two boner killing combo.
Barring any unfortunate deformities, a woman who takes care of herself (dont get fat), keeps her hair long, dresses like a woman (dresses, skirts, etc) and who acts in a feminine “ladylike” manner (sweet, nurturing, pleasant to be around, with some sense of decorum and self respect) is going to find it hard not to attract men while shes still young. Who’da thunk women comporting themselves like women would attract men?!?
And as regards the Roosh article, also dont forget that it was intended as a troll job to antagonise Feminists and get them to comment and visit the site in order to collect info on which locales had more Feminists. Theres a post on RoK about it.
That’s what I’m reading right now in a book – men are both visual, and don’t have very high physical standards. Sounds almost like a contradiction, but there we are.
Emma,
In America everyone is sick and fat because our diet is horrible. Many people give up because they don’t really want to see and acknowledge that the cause is the food products we consume.
You are spot on with:
“Two. Most women (and men) are pleasant looking. Or can be. Fitness, good clothes and taking care of yourself properly means pleasant looks for pretty much anyone, except the truly deformed people and 1s on the SMV scale. ”
Most people are attractive when they take care of themselves. But Americans are addicted to their food drugs. This hurts women’s value more so than men because women’s sexual worth is tied up in their beauty. This leaves a minority of healthy people and the competition for the healthy women is intense.
I firmly believe if Americans got their diets under control and the obesity levels went back to 1965 levels, a lot of these problems would be solved in terms of body image.
The reason you have the fat acceptance movement is simply because people don’t know how to get thin because the companies and government are feeding them false information.
Also, you are viewing this whole thing through Norweigan eyes. In Norway, feminism is much more about equality than feminine domination like it is in the States. Scandinavia has always had women play a more important simply because there wasn’t enough people to let half the population not pull their weight. Women had to competent while the men where fighting, etc, etc, so when feminism came along, it had a historical place.
Being ultra macho will hurt you in the dating game in Norway where as it’s required in America.
You’re right, I heard American and Norwegian women like different things. Thanks for your input.
I would say prime for most women is 15-19, through a small percentage can make it to 21