Some guys, because they sense their SMV is not too high, turn to ugly or fat girls on purpose. Perhaps they hope that if they show love or attraction to a less attractive girl, she will appreciate it more and he can get a girlfriend (or laid). And frankly, it’s not a terrible thing to do to someone. When manosphere guys talk about hypergamy, women come there and tell men to lower their standards. Hey, before you complain about women’s pickiness, get less picky yourself! Go for an average chick, or fat chick, or Woman Your Own Age.
But the thing is, less attractive women don’t seem to like being approached by men who follow such advice. I think it’s because these men are projecting an unattractive, low SMV persona. They might as well say “I’m so unattractive I’m hitting on you instead of that hot girl to the left. But I’m not as shallow as those jerks, I’m good if you give me a chance. Pick me! Pick me!”.
The feeling of repulsion to overqualifying men is just a feeling. We like what we like, it’s beyond reason. However, it’s up to feminists to rationalize it.
American feminists don’t like to be told to lose weight or wear makeup. Everyone here knows that. But they also write articles telling men not to compliment their looks in any way, and not to try to make them feel better about their looks.
First we hear that it’s unfair women have to wear makeup and men do not. Then, when a man says he likes makeup-free faces, he’s called an even worse oppressor than the man who wants the makeup to stay on. Amanda Marcotte doesn’t like that Thomas Matlack prefers his 48-year old wife without makeup:
Amanda Marcotte says:
“Scintillating stuff, but sadly for Matlack, preening teenage boys on Tumblr beat him to the punch months ago with the trend of telling women through handwritten signs that boners are best served by presenting a look that men can believe is “natural” beauty. “
Take a look at one of them:
Yep, this is a fearsome patriarchial oppressor. Also, note the negative reaction is directed at male sexual desire in this context. But of course Amanda would find this sort of behavior disgusting. The guy has a pathetic face expression and he’s begging to be liked for conforming to what feminists say a man should be attracted to. Of course, it gets him nowhere, because feminist women, like other women, don’t appreciate unattractive men’s boners. Amanda notes how men who like the natural look actually like the carefully made-up look without knowing about it:
“While some might see this as a positive development on the “just be yourself” front, I do not. It’s not liberating to hear a man who has never had to live a day as a woman tell us that we’re silly bunnies who don’t know what we’re doing with that powder brush. And what’s more empowering than the pressure to look, without any effort at all, like the media-driven fantasy of “natural” beauty? After all, we all wake up in the morning with dewy perfect skin and naturally dramatic eyes, just like Zooey Deschanel (who wears fake eyelashes to get that natural look) or Kate Winslet (who I’ve never seen without mascara or her eyebrows drawn on).”
Now, this is a somewhat valid point. Men are confused about what makeup is, and what it’s not. However, I have found that men do often like the purely makeup-free look too. And if your face isn’t too good, there are affordable ways to make it better without covering it up with makeup. If you’re so smart that you “know what to do with a powder brush”, you should also be smart enough to realize that you could invest in skincare to make yourself naturally more beautiful. It’s absolutely possible. It just takes work and brains, like good makeup. Using good skin care every day is not more oppressive than putting on makeup everyday.
But I digress. Here’s another article where they let men know their compliments are not only unwelcome, but oppressive:
““I like small boobs.” “I actually prefer untrimmed pubic hair.” “Ew, skinny girls! Eat a sandwich, amirite?” They’re inevitable contributions to any thread discussing women’s bodies, always offered by men as a word of comfort to insecure women or as valuable male insight into the male gaze.
Thanks for thinking of us, guys, but trust me: We get insight into the male gaze every day. We’re soaking in it, and in a way most men don’t actually recognize. We’re given insight into the male gaze by random men hooting at us on the sidewalk. “Don’t worry, insecure girl, there are people out there who think you’re hot” isn’t a revolutionary perspective, and thinking it’s a necessary contribution to a thread about female objectification and body image demonstrates a lack of understanding of the subject.”
“I actually prefer small breasts” only reinforces the grand tradition of women’s bodies as objects to be presented for judgment and rated on a scale from Hot to Fugly”
“And it ignores the reality that while it does matter to many of us, in the grand scheme, finding someone willing to screw us is the least of our problems.”
There you have it – women don’t want you to tell them “aw, it’s ok to have small boobs, I like small boobs on a girl!” They got enough losers willing to screw them and offer ego-validation. That’s true – even ugly women can get 100s of cocks, it really isn’t that valuable to them. A woman considers expressions of male sexuality an insult, if the man is unattractive and mistakenly tries to pass his sexuality off as a gift, rather than a cost.
Of course, she does not say she wants ALL male desire to disappear:
“You know what would help? Seeing someone on TV who has a butt like mine and is the smart, classy, desirable character and not the goofy friend.”
I guess that means only the attention of the leading protagonist should be acceptable.
“For the record, any time I hear that I always assume three things: that the guy is desperate, lying, and an asshole”
There you have it – it looks desperate.
“There really does seem to be a phenomenon of “feminist” guys who like to assure us that their beauty standards are unconventional, but it’s still all about conceptualizing of the female body as an object that’s here to please men. Wow, I’m so glad that my [insert “unconventionally attractive” body part/type here] is sexy to you, because that’s the only thing I was ever worried about.”
Of course she would not worry about being bangable for the bulk of men – she’s the one with the sexual resource (lol, I love saying that). A man in her place would probably be worried about being bangable, and would appreciate women backing their words up with action 😉
“Yup. But that’s exactly the problem. So many men think, consciously or otherwise, that the point of women’s existence is to be attractive to them/have sex with them. They completely miss the fact that women are complete human beings, with facets of their lives that (should) have nothing to do with sex or attractiveness, just like men”
I don’t believe many men think that, consciously or otherwise. The whole “problem” is that men are looking for sex and will try to get that from a woman. The correct way to say it is “So many men think, consciously or otherwise, that they want to have sex with women and the point of interaction with many women is to end up in bed with them. They completely miss the fact that many women aren’t attracted to them and will treat their attempts to seem more feminist with contempt”.
So, as you can see, men gain nothing from simply lowering their standards and then showing appreciation for “ugly girls”. You’re probably better off with self-improvement and then increasing your standards (unless your standards were uncommonly high from before, but that’s a topic for a whole another post). If you lower your standards due to age or some other factor, maybe it’s best to not verbally proclaim it by saying “older women are so much more mature than younger women”, or something like that.
A woman, on the other hand, can probably gain a lot by lowering standards. I have said before that I appreciate men no one else wants to fuck. I mean nothing condescending by it. Like those pathetic feminist men, I go where I’m needed, in hope of getting something good. Like them, I don’t want to “work for it”, I want someone good enough who isn’t difficult or rejection-prone. I think many men like to be needed, and so do I. Yeah yeah, it means I’m just “intimidated by strong, independent men”, and should instead love men who treat love and sex as just another fun pastime, shared in complete independence and without anyone needing the other for anything. Will some men find this insulting? Maybe. But so far no one had a major issue with it, many even thought it was a good thing. Perhaps because men, unlike women, appreciate friendly sex with a non-hideous member of the opposite sex. And unless the guy already has several fuckbuddies vying for his attention, he might even like a relationship afterwards.
Any game-using guys reading this? What do you think?